IT IS NOT TIME fairly but right here for what I name the mad stash, storing these non-hardy vegetation for the winter that we want to hold alive for one more yr of service. However it’s time to make some plans to do exactly that.
Marianne Willburn, creator of “Tropical Crops and Tips on how to Love Them” (affiliate hyperlink), and a critical mad stasher, is right here to assist us puzzle out what goes the place for finest outcomes. Marianne can also be a contributing editor to the collaborative weblog known as “Backyard Rant.”
We’ve each been stashing many sorts of funding vegetation over a few years, with wins and losses alongside the best way. So we needed to check notes that can assist you fine-tune your strategic plans for adapting spots in the home, cellar, storage, wherever, to enhance your overwintering outcomes with tender treasures (like Marianne’s bromeliads grouped in a terrarium on a pebble tray, above).
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Learn alongside as you take heed to the Sept. 18, 2023 version of my public-radio present and podcast utilizing the participant under. You’ll be able to subscribe to all future editions on Apple Podcasts (iTunes) or Spotify or Stitcher (and browse my archive of podcasts right here).
overwintering tender vegetation, with marianne willburn
Margaret Roach: So simply to type of set the scene, Marianne, we should always inform folks the place we backyard and what our realities are that we’re stashing issues in opposition to [laughter]. I’m Zone 5b in New York State, Hudson Valley, and perhaps I can get to minus 10 or minus 15. Typically we don’t. I can have frost in Could, even late Could. I can have it as early as late September; typically it’s not until mid-October. What about you? The place are you?
Marianne Willburn: I’m in Northern Virginia. I’m in 6b. Some folks prefer to type of assume they’re in 7, however they’re not [laughter]. We’re in 6b and it could actually get down as little as detrimental 5, however zero is often round the place we’re. Our first frost is often round October fifteenth. It will probably go as late as November 1st, and when it does, it simply means we’re all exhausted, as a result of we are able to tackle a lot extra work because the season goes on.
Margaret: Oh, sure.
Marianne: You in all probability know that deal, proper?
Margaret: Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, we don’t need the frost or the freeze to come back, the onerous freezes to come back, however then again… It will probably imply, “Oh, nicely, I’m accomplished with my chores for this yr.” [Laughter.]
Marianne: Oh yeah. Once I go all the way down to Florida for Tropical Plant Worldwide Expo in January, and I see everyone working so onerous down there, I’m so grateful to have a break.
Margaret: Proper, to not have a 12-month season. So, I simply needed to check notes on what areas we use in our house form of worlds, what locations we name into motion. I retailer issues in my cellar, which could be 40-something levels, actually underneath 50, however above 40. I’ve an unheated barn that I exploit for some issues, and naturally even the home in some circumstances. What about you? What are among the areas?
Marianne: Sure, there’s some similarities there. I’ve a storage that’s frost free, stays in that type of 35-to-40 vary as a result of the boiler is there. I used to do the identical factor in my cellar, such as you did, in my final home. I used to maintain issues in an unheated barn as nicely, however I’m staying nearer to the home as of late, and I hold issues as houseplants, that are actually glad as houseplants. After which I hold type of my “ugly nook” [laughter] of the high-maintenance vegetation that aren’t glad being houseplants, however they get to manage collectively in shared ugliness, and my care, and slightly little bit of added humidity from being shut collectively. And I exploit ugliness as slightly little bit of a joke. They’re not as lovely as a few of our basic houseplants.
Margaret: Proper. Nicely, and actually, I imply you had been simply saying “as houseplants,” so that you’re not speaking about your conventional houseplants which may even be indoors all yr. You’re speaking about vegetation that you just deliver into the home and say, “O.Ok., are you able to cooperate sufficient to remain alive for the winter?” [Laughter.]
Marianne: Precisely. “Can we simply make it via a couple of months collectively? And this won’t be nice for you, it won’t be nice for me, however the finish is simply to get you thru this time interval.” And I do various things to make that occur. And in addition a pair completely different locations in my home. I at all times go for the best place in my home for these form of vegetation as a result of the cooler, the higher in a drier situation. So if I’m away from heating ducts, and significantly considered one of my rooms that doesn’t have heating ducts, that’s one of the best scenario for these vegetation.
Margaret: Proper. So what we’re getting at then is that we have to do some form of evaluation of… And a variety of that is trial and error. I imply, I’ve had vegetation that the primary yr they lived with me, I didn’t make them very glad, after which I form of discovered, you already know, I learn the suggestions they had been giving me, and I did higher the subsequent yr and so forth. However it’s type of: can we hold it in lively progress, or ought to we let it go dormant, or is it type of going to be (such as you talked concerning the ugly nook or no matter) that it’s type of someplace in between. They’re not likely lively and plush, however they’re not likely completely absolutely dormant within the cellar, at nighttime, within the chilly.
Marianne: Sure.
Margaret: So how do you, give us some examples of among the ones that you just hold awake, let fall asleep, you already know what I imply, what’s wherein areas?
Marianne: Yeah, A very nice instance of which are a few of my smaller Alocasia, and Alocasia has turn into a well-liked houseplant. The elephant ears, however very particular elephant ears.
And these vegetation, the truth is, I used to be simply speaking to a grower the opposite day who mentioned, “I don’t know why these are houseplants.” As a result of the spider mites need them. These are very completely different than Colocasia, which, no means are you retaining as a houseplant. If you’re, you’re wonderful. However Alocasia are slightly bit thicker, slightly waxier typically. They’re often an upright leaf. There’s a couple of different issues which are slightly bit completely different about them, however these are all generalities.
And these vegetation, they don’t essentially need to go into full dormancy. You’ll be able to put them into full dormancy in that cellar of yours simply frost-free. However they might moderately keep “within the inexperienced” they usually’d moderately keep in type of a stasis scenario, the place they’re 50, 60 levels, simply type of getting via. Nicely, I can’t give any of my vegetation that form of, “Oh, certain, I’ve acquired part of my home that’s 55 levels.” [Laughter.] That’s actually robust. So I put them within the coldest a part of my eating room for the littlest ones. The large ones, I don’t care. You’re going into dormancy, you’re going into dormancy within the storage, you’re large enough to deal with it. [Above, ‘Pharoah’s Mask’ and ‘Morning Dew’ Colocasia at Marianne’s.]
Margaret: As a result of you’ll be able to’t actually accommodate them in any other case. I’ve associates who’ve a sunroom and it has slightly warmth, but it surely’s not super-heated. And that’s the form of area. And I’ve one other pal who has form of like a mudroom, vestibule form of factor that may be closed off slightly bit, but it surely has home windows on two sides. And so these are these transitional areas that we are able to typically pack with vegetation that need that stasis that you just’re speaking about.
And with out making our home, the entire home, super-cold or no matter, and with out exposing them to the warmth of the principle home, you already know, the principle components of the home the place we had been dwelling. However not everybody has that area. Not everybody has that area.
Marianne: No, we’re aiming in direction of as cool and dry as attainable, not which means we would like them to be dry, however you don’t need them to be cool and moist. That’s actually unhealthy. Chilly and moist is unhealthy, that’s rotting.
However what we have now in our homes often is heat and dry. And that on one hand tells a plant, “Develop, it’s heat.” After which on the opposite aspect, on the moisture aspect says, “Cease rising. There’s no moisture.” And so that you’re placing these vegetation into this split-personality scenario the place they go, “What, do I develop? Do I not develop?” After which they simply spiral down into demise spiral. So we need to push in direction of the best that we are able to for these pickier vegetation.
Make some selections within the fall while you’re drained, that is one of the best time to do it. I do know you’re drained, I’m drained. You’re uninterested in rain, I’m uninterested in drought, and that is the time that you just make these selections so that you don’t child a plant via the winter, undergo all this bother for it after which within the spring, “Oh, O.Ok., nicely I’ve to discover a place for that.” As a result of spring has come and also you’re excited and every part’s nice, however now you’ve acquired an enormous workload. So making these selections proper now, being discerning about, “Do I actually need that plant? Did I find it irresistible this yr? Did it do quite a bit for what I used to be making an attempt to create on my deck or patio or backyard?” That, I feel, is one of the best place to begin. Let’s be actually discerning in what we have to hold first after which work out how are we going to maintain them.
Margaret: Yeah. And that is going to take some homework, and once more, like I mentioned earlier, trial and error. And I feel the Alocasia and Colocasia, the elephant ears which are all lumped collectively. There’s been a lot curiosity in them within the final, I don’t know, 15 years or no matter. There’s a zillion completely different ones they usually’re all slightly completely different. Some make, just like the Colocasia, I feel they make extra like a, is it a tuber or a rhizome? I don’t even…
Marianne: It’s a corm, yeah.
Margaret: A corm, okay. And so once more, you’ll be able to form of put them to sleep within the cellar the best way you’ll be able to, your Canna or no matter. However a few of these different ones, the extra showy, newer cultivars, particularly the Alocasia, not a lot. And what I’ve had occur is I’ve tried to maintain it limping alongside after which I’ve tried the dormancy. I’ve tried each. After which the factor doesn’t need to get up once I need it to get up, which is in spring, in order that then I can get pleasure from Could, June, July, August, September, my solely frost-free season. It won’t get up until July or August [laughter].
Marianne: Oh, sure. And I had that occur this yr. Yeah, completely. I used to be so late getting issues began due to a extremely large talking schedule. So I acquired it late. I actually solely acquired my Alocasia transferring about three weeks in the past. Nicely, howdy. It’s July.
Margaret: Precisely, precisely. So that is the factor is that typically you don’t kill it, but it surely backfires for the utilitarian worth of the vegetation. So we have to additionally discover vegetation that, as you discuss in your e book, are form of our greatest associates and good companion, I do know you might have completely different phrases for them, however into the completely different chapters, you form of group them in these charming methods, virtually anthropomorphizing them.
However we have to discover ones which are suited to the situations we are able to realistically provide and never spend $50 on one thing that, except we’re O.Ok. with that, that we would not be capable of overwinter.
Marianne: Sure, completely. I imply that $50 that you just spend in Could for one thing that’s going to final simply till the start of October, finish of September, that’s a fairly first rate funding for what’s in impact a flower bouquet that lasted that many months. Proper?
Margaret: Proper. It’s.
Marianne: That’s a summer season romance. However we would not need to do this with that many vegetation [laughter].
Margaret: Proper, and then again, I’d for that value purchase a younger shrub and I’d put it in an enormous pot, a shrub that’s at the least as hardy as my space or perhaps slightly hardier. And I’d put it in an enormous pot and I’d then drag it into my storage for the winter. And I may need that as a bit of moveable backyard decor for 10 years. Or I’d find yourself placing it into the bottom when it will get large enough, transferring it up into a much bigger pot a few times after which placing it within the floor. So it will depend on what we expect an funding, an excellent funding and an excellent return on our funding is. And for every of us, that’s one thing completely different.
A few of my finest had been shrubs or Japanese maples, small Japanese maple timber that I’ve had 15 years in a development of bigger pots. And yearly they’re key fixtures within the backyard. They’re like my “annuals” as a result of they lived the remainder of the yr within the barn, however they’re nice [laughter].
Marianne: And really customized. They’re going to be completely different for every of us. We are able to do this with some tender vegetation like Brugmansia or Plumeria, which might simply get pulled into the storage, simply saved above freezing, will be beautiful, come again in a short time within the spring, and that makes a variety of sense. However when you’re doing that with the Alocasia that we talked about, and it’s taking so lengthy, it doesn’t make sense. So figuring that out for your self, that’s actually necessary.
Margaret: In order for you an excellent return on funding, purchase cannas [laughter]. [Canna rhizome, above.]
Marianne: Oh sure.
Margaret: As a result of they’re rock onerous, they simply, I swear, I imply I by no means lose any, they simply go into the cellar they usually’re simply glad and it’s no large deal. I truly ended up shopping for, I’ve so lots of them now, I ended up shopping for a couple of… On the like Greenback Retailer or one thing, the ironmongery store, I ended up shopping for a couple of of these plastic laundry baskets. It’s like plastic mesh. It’s only a large laundry basket with the 2 handles, one on both finish. And it’s like I simply put them in there, carry them downstairs, after which I put a type of a tarp loosely over the entire thing and that’s the tip of that. After which I carry them again up within the spring. It’s simple.
Marianne: It’s ridiculous how simple they’re.
Margaret: Yeah. So what about, one factor I like and I’ve had combined success as a result of there’s so many truly several types of vegetation inside this group, however what concerning the bromeliads? How about these? As a result of, and a few will be grown as houseplants and a few are extra fussy. And what about that? Do you might have any of these in your assortment?
Marianne: Oh, sure.
Margaret: As a result of they’re so beautiful they usually’re so fantastic for outdoor in a type of oblique mild form of, I feel. A few of them will be within the solar, however a few of them in a vibrant spot. I like how they give the impression of being.
Marianne: Sure. You’ve simply touched on in all probability my favourite group of vegetation as a result of they’re fascinating. They’re statement-making they usually’re nonetheless very completely different. When you will get your hand on an excellent one, you retain it. I’ve tried to maintain my assortment small in order that it’s workable.
These vegetation want, over all, slightly bit extra humidity when you can provide it to them. And so what I’ve accomplished is in a spot in my workplace, which is cooler, it’s completely freezing to me within the winter [laughter], I’ve a terrarium in there that’s open on the highest and a pebble tray within the backside of that terrarium. And I can get about 4 to 5 bromeliads in that. And so they sit on that pebble tray that I continuously fill with water, and that additional humidity that’s constructed due to the glass sides of the terrarium and the truth that these vegetation are shut collectively.. They do want some air motion as nicely; they’re finicky about that, however that permits them to do rather well. And so they’re in a sunnier window, in order that they have slightly bit of sunshine. I’ve acquired a mister once I’m feeling bored and in the course of an article that I’m simply mind-blocked on, I can simply sit there misting them, occupied with it.
So, they work rather well. This final yr I had a Vriesea bloom for me in the course of the winter and I’m like, “Nicely, I’m doing one thing proper with these guys.”
Margaret: Wow, good. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Marianne: After which after all my Tillandsia, that are bromeliads, these are my air vegetation. These are even much less care wanted. These beautify the kitchen. I like placing a xerographica, Tillandsia xerographica [above at Marianne’s], up in the place my rolling pins are that come out, a couple of of them are in my kitchen.
Margaret: [Laughter.] A little bit creature. A little bit creature.
Marianne: It’s. And people are enjoyable. And so they simply get a shower as soon as per week. They get a pleasant dunk as soon as per week they usually’re good. The bromeliad, type of those that folks consider as bromeliads, the Neoregelia, Vriesea, Aechmea, these sort of issues, these I fill the funnel and allow them to have sufficient water at that means.
Margaret: In order that cup like central at their crown, a cup-like space.
Marianne: Sure. And I imply, I bear in mind Liz speaking to anyone at Bullis Bromeliads down in Florida, actually fantastic grower, and he or she was saying, “Don’t fill the cup. It may be unhealthy within the winter.” However that hasn’t been my expertise.
Margaret: No, not for me. If I don’t fill it, they give the impression of being sad.
Marianne: Yeah, and in order that has additionally proven me that what’s working for one particular person will not be working for one more and that we have now to play with these vegetation. Trial and error is a technique of claiming it. I prefer to say taking part in with them, as a result of we’re determining what our boundaries are, our limits are with them, and the way they’ll reply to what we’re giving them.
Margaret: Yeah. And there’s some no-nos, such as you talked about heat and dry. Some locations in our properties are simply unimaginable for sure kinds of vegetation, like those you had been simply speaking about. They’re not going to be glad in a super-dry, super-warm spot, the bromeliads in all probability. But when a plant desires to be type of asleep and you retain soaking it, hold watering it and stuff, that may additionally trigger its decline. Are you aware what I imply? It’s like forcing somebody to be half-awake or three-quarters awake who doesn’t need to. Or if it’s too chilly and it’s chilly and moist, that’s a extremely unhealthy mixture, too. So it’s additionally type of determining that and when to again off.
Marianne: I imply ideally I’d love in some unspecified time in the future to, I simply acquired a greenhouse final yr, acquired all of it up and going. I’d like to warmth it to about 50 and put all these guys into stasis there, however that’s going to be actually costly and will not be value it to me.
Margaret: Yeah. And it’s a variety of work, too, as a result of one thing at all times goes unsuitable. There’s at all times an emergency. Everybody I do know who has a greenhouse there’s… I’ve by no means had one, however there’s at all times some emergency, some drama.
Marianne: Yeah, And I feel that there’s energy on this e book in that I did all of this work with tropicals and subtropicals with out the help of that greenhouse. So it’s to point out folks, “Hey, you are able to do this with no greenhouse. You are able to do it with one, too.” However there’s methods of getting round it. And once more, it involves paring down the vegetation that take advantage of sense for you.
A few of my large statement-making vegetation exterior are a few of my finest houseplants inside. Issues like my massive Schefflera or a really massive philodendron that I’ve. These, I’ve acquired an attractive Beaucarnea recurvata, the ponytail palm. It’s incredible inside, it’s incredible exterior. And so it’s a win-win all yr lengthy for me, the one draw back to it truly is simply taking it out and in on the dolly.
Margaret: Proper, and I agree. I feel that assertion type of houseplant, vegetation that may be accommodated and are glad to be inside and can be then utilized in our vignettes exterior within the backyard in the appropriate spots. That’s your largest 12-month plant, the plant you’re going to get 12 months of glad service out of. So I’ve a variety of these as nicely.
And I need to ask you about, type of fast, “What to do with…” As an illustration, lots of people have been rising these crimson Abyssinian bananas. Is that one thing, do you narrow it again and convey it in or what do you do with that, for example, actual fast?
Marianne: I do. These vegetation are very, very simple to retailer till they get very, very large. And then you definately’re going to begin rethinking, “O.Ok., I can begin once more subsequent yr with a brand new plant.” They develop in a short time. However when you acquired one thing that’s perhaps one to 3 years previous, I dig it. It’s very, very shallowly rooted. Don’t be afraid that these roots are very tiny simply across the base of this plant. Take them into the storage. I wrap that rootball with an previous towel, as a result of it acts as a humidifier, mainly, a regulator.
After which I put a plastic bag excessive of that and I put that into a big 10 gallon or 20 gallon trug that I can transfer round if I have to. However it just about stays in the identical place.
All the time retailer them vertically, as a result of when you retailer them horizontally, and also you’re going to need to since you need to stack them or one thing, they’ll begin to develop ever a lot and they’re going to distort through the winter, and it takes some time to get them out of that.
You narrow off all of these leaves, depart the rising level, you’re going to begin to see some progress within the spring because the temperatures are beginning to decide up at, I say spring, however let’s say finish of February, starting of March, as temperatures are getting slightly bit hotter, that’s while you’re going to repot them and get them able to be going exterior for like a Could… For you guys in all probability Could fifteenth.
Margaret: Sure, precisely. Precisely. I simply need to discuss some issues we retailer as a result of they’re tasty. [Laughter.] You and I each have a freezer factor happening. I can’t develop herbs yr spherical exterior, however I’ve sufficient, and so I freeze every part from parsley to varied pestos of heaps and many completely different inexperienced herbs, all types of issues, tomatoes, and who is aware of what. So I freeze plenty of various things. However you additionally freeze a few of your type of “edimental,” ornamental-edible tropical goodies, like gingery type of issues. Inform us a pair actual fast of that you just do, you freeze.
Marianne: Nicely, I’m awash proper now in turmeric [laughter], and in order that’s considered one of them. And I do develop this as an edimental, it’s precisely proper. It’s very lovely within the backyard. And people roots, these rhizomes are edible. And so I’ll do a pair various things. I’ll both depart them complete and simply grate them straight from the freezer with a microplane onto the highest of rice or what have you ever, give it that lovely yellow shade, turmeric rice. Or I’ll chop them very finely and put them in an ice dice tray so I can simply add some turmeric to, I’m speaking actually wonderful. [Next year’s turmeric for the garden in storage at Marianne’s.]
Margaret: Sure, and I do this with a variety of my herbs too. Precisely. Make type of like an ice dice out it with only a tiny little bit of water.
Marianne: Yeah, and I’ll do this additionally with ginger, with younger ginger, as a result of I can’t ripen ginger the best way that it must be ripened. So I get to have the younger ginger as an alternative, which is incredible, chopped up.
I additionally save Kaffir lime leaves, Makrut lime leaves, as a result of these aren’t at all times out there for me within the winter, and that’s the flavoring behind an excellent inexperienced curry.
Lemongrass. I’m truly going to be doing my lemongrass in all probability this week as a result of it’s been so dry. So I’ll be reducing these and saving them in little bundles to place into the freezer. And that’s scrumptious. To not chop up, it’s a taste agent.
Margaret: Proper. The best way we use a bay leaf in a recipe.
Marianne: Precisely.
Margaret: Nicely I’m at all times glad to speak to you and the mad stash lies simply forward. If we are able to simply make it to the end line. I hope you get some rain. I’m so sorry. I’d’ve despatched you some, however I didn’t have management over it.
Marianne: That’s O.Ok. And may I simply say, Margaret, I like the time period mad stash. I’m going to make use of that on a regular basis now.
Margaret: Oh, good. As a result of I’ve at all times considered it like that as an alternative of the mad sprint, it’s the mad stash. So yeah, so I hope I’ll discuss to you once more quickly. Thanks, Marianne. Thanks.
Marianne: Thanks Margaret.
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