WE’RE GOING TO discuss collectibles in the present day, however not the type you rating at a flea market or from an internet public sale. We’re going to speak about collectible bushes. Sure, bushes. A brand new e-book by Amy Stewart referred to as “The Tree Collectors” introduces us to 50 individuals whose lives have been reworked by what she calls their “arboreal obsessions.”
Amy, who’s based mostly in Portland, Ore., is a “New York Occasions” bestselling creator whose earlier nonfiction books concerning the pure world additionally embody “The Drunken Botanist,” and “Depraved Vegetation.” Her latest, “The Tree Collectors: Tales of Arboreal Obsession” (affiliate hyperlinks), is out this month, and she or he joined me to speak concerning the individuals and bushes she met within the means of writing it.
Plus: Remark within the field close to the underside of the web page to enter to win a duplicate of her new e-book.
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‘the tree collectors,’ with amy stewart
Margaret Roach: I’ve gardener buddies out your means in Portland, and I’ve been listening to talks of a latest stretch of 100-degree days. I hope you’re O.Ok.
Amy Stewart: I do know. Yeah, we’re not used to it in Portland.
Margaret: No, insanity, insanity, insanity. Congratulations on the brand new e-book; you’ve been busy, I can see.
I simply needed to ask: It’s not a subject I’ve ever actually considered. I do know Gesneriad collectors, and orchid collectors, and Aroid collectors, and even like heirloom-tomato collectors, however tree collectors—I don’t know any actually, except we’re speaking about arboreta, or a nursery that focuses on a selected type of bushes. How did this come into your head? How did this occur?
Amy: Effectively, I used to be the identical means. It had by no means occurred to me that individuals collected bushes. However I used to be at an occasion of some sort about 10 years in the past, and a man got here as much as me and advised me that he was a tree collector [laughter]. I mentioned, “Effectively, O.Ok. Timber are actually huge and laborious to maneuver, in order that’s a bizarre factor to gather. What do you imply? How does that even work?” In his case, he advised me that he had an enormous plot of land, and he planted his bushes in rows, like books on a bookshelf. His aim was simply to gather as many alternative bushes as he might that grew in his a part of the world, in Lancaster County, Pa.
I assumed that was very fascinating, and I bear in mind coming dwelling and mentioning it to my husband, who’s a rare-book vendor. So there’s a variety of discuss collectors and accumulating in our home, and he was fascinated with it as properly. Then, through the years, often another person would inform me that they have been a tree collector, and I at all times thought it could be an fascinating concept for a e-book, however I couldn’t fairly get my head round it. As soon as I’d met three or 4 of them, I simply thought, “Oh, I’ve to do that.”
Margaret: Attention-grabbing. The Arnold Arboretum, they’re tree collectors [laughter], or MrMaple, the nursery in North Carolina, two brothers with all their Japanese maples, lots of and lots of of various varieties, they’re tree collectors, however I consider that as a distinct sort of factor. The individuals in your e-book are largely not that, precisely. As you say, between the area constraints, you possibly can’t put it on a bric-a-brac shelf like your china dolls [laughter]. You may’t put it in a e-book like your stamp assortment. It’s not precisely immediate gratification both, is it?
Amy: Effectively, that’s true. There may be this different aspect of time with a tree assortment that different objects you may acquire don’t have, which is that it grows and adjustments over time.
I believe undoubtedly on the excessive finish… properly really, that is actually true of all types of accumulating. There’s a excessive finish, after which there’s how on a regular basis individuals such as you and me may do one thing. I’ve a tiny little e-book assortment, and it’s all of the books that Annie Proulx wrote about gardening and homesteading earlier than she turned the Annie Proulx we all know and love. It’s a group of 10 books [laughter]. That’s my e-book assortment. You may acquire one thing and have or not it’s actually small.
Within the case of tree collectors, there are individuals who clearly have huge tracts of land, they usually should purchase pretty mature specimens of bushes, which value much more cash. They’ll have a grand property crammed with no matter they acquire. In the event you’re a tree collector, you may be into accumulating oaks, or maples, or conifers, or palm bushes. However there’s a variety of methods to gather on a a lot smaller scale, and truly, that was extra fascinating to me. What concerning the people who find themselves tree collectors, however they simply stay in an everyday suburban home with a normal-sized yard, or possibly they even stay in an residence? What might accumulating appear like in these conditions?
Margaret: There’s these 50 tree collectors that you just’ve profiled. They’re from everywhere in the world, Greenland and Poland, and Singapore, India, Brazil, Ethiopia. I might go on and on. The e-book’s introduction begins with the query that, after all, I wish to now ask you, since you’ve met and interviewed all these tree collectors: “What possesses somebody to own a tree?” That’s how you start the e-book.
Amy: Effectively, it’s fascinating. Plenty of these of us I acknowledged instantly as true collectors. In the event you’re somebody who’s in your coronary heart a collector, you’ve most likely collected different issues over the course of your life earlier than you bought into bushes. Perhaps you have been a stamp collector, otherwise you collected baseball playing cards. You’re somebody who has that type of acquisitive nature, like, “I will need to have one.” After which, when you notice that there’s a bunch of them in that class, there’s this urge to be completist about it, and to say, “I would like one in every of each one, and I received’t be glad till I fill within the holes, and I’ve the entire set.”
I perceive that mindset, and undoubtedly, there are tree collectors who’re like that. There’s a lady within the e-book who collects pine cones, and she or he determined that she would acquire one in every of each species of pine on the planet, and she or he hasn’t been in a position to end it. It’s laborious to do, however there’s one thing concerning the quest, and having that record in your head of, these are those I’m actually after, that’s form of pleasant. I believe that’s a part of what drives tree collectors, however there are undoubtedly people who find themselves planting bushes for extra, I might say deeply private causes, and actually heartfelt causes.
Margaret: Yeah, and I wish to discuss a few of people who struck me. You divided the e-book in classes, sections based on what you noticed as every individual’s major motivation for accumulating. There’s artists, and curators, and educators, and healers, and ecologists and so forth. Within the healer chapter, one factor is, as I believe you level out within the e-book, talking of therapeutic and bushes, forest bathing is a factor. It’s not only a factor proper now. It’s an actual factor. Connecting with bushes is highly effective, isn’t it?
Amy: It’s, yeah, completely. I stroll by way of the forest daily right here in Portland, for a couple of minutes. It’s, after all, an extremely enjoyable and soothing place to be. It makes us really feel higher. I believe it additionally reminds us of, once more, there’s this high quality of time with bushes. Each morning I stroll previous this huge Douglas fir, and I don’t understand how previous it’s, however I do know that it was right here many generations earlier than I used to be born, and that it’ll be right here lengthy after I’m gone. There’s one thing about that timelessness that jogs my memory that my troubles and my worries are actually transitory [laughter].
Margaret: Sure.
Amy: It’s that very same sense of awe that you just get whenever you lookup on the stars, and also you bear in mind in a really nice, reassuring means that you just’re type of insignificant within the grander scheme of issues.
Margaret: Sure, only a speck. In that healer part, there’s a lady, a memorable lady, a minimum of for me, in England, who collects Japanese maples [above, Marie Noelle Bouvet]. I believe you mentioned she has 4,000 of them now, or one thing. And she or he’s one in every of these those who used to gather different issues, such as you have been simply saying. Inform us about why this was therapeutic for her. She has an fascinating story.
Amy: I used to be so moved by this. She’s any individual who began accumulating Japanese maples. She simply began with one, that’s at all times the way it begins [laughter], and then you definately’re like, “I didn’t notice there’s different kinds. Now I need two or three extra.” She went down that highway, and was in a position to get sufficient land that she might actually begin rising out maples at scale. The fascinating factor about maple bushes is that they don’t develop true from seed. When you have a Japanese maple and it drops a seed on the bottom, and a brand new little tree sprouts from that, it’s going to look very totally different from its mother and father. You may have the chance to presumably uncover, and even introduce to the world a brand new number of Japanese maple that nobody’s ever seen earlier than.
One of many issues she advised me is that she and her husband weren’t in a position to have youngsters, and she or he at all times felt this sense of loss that she by no means had a baby. She mentioned that the maple bushes helped her type of fill that gap in her life, however then she additionally mentioned, about in search of a brand new selection that possibly comes out of her assortment, that she would really like to have the ability to introduce and identify a brand new number of maple tree. She mentioned, “I haven’t been in a position to give a reputation to a baby. I want to give a reputation to a tree.”
Margaret: So it helped her together with her grief, and gave her a forward-looking challenge, the following technology challenge?
Amy: It did, and I’m glad you mentioned that, as a result of that’s one other actually profound factor that she mentioned. She mentioned that every one the opposite issues that she used to gather have been mainly preserving her tied to the previous, however that whenever you acquire bushes, you’re fascinated by the longer term.
Margaret: Yeah, it’s an excellent one. Within the ecologists part, I really like the story of (and I would butcher this identify) Miyawaki forest plantings, the tiny forests that you just say an area the scale of a number of parking areas, or ideally, a tennis court docket in measurement, could be a complete forest, and that there’s a person in India who, I believe he consults with individuals in other places all over the world, and makes these tiny forests. That was simply extremely lovely as a thought.
Amy: Yeah, I really like the concept of it, and I additionally love the ecological precept at work. I talked to this man, Shubendu Sharma [above], who in India was educated as an engineer, and he was working at a Toyota plant in Bangalore. He advised me that his duty as an engineer was to have a look at their provide chain, and what they have been speculated to do was to hint each materials that went into a brand new automobile all the best way again by way of all of the suppliers, again to its authentic supply. Usually, that authentic supply was one thing that initially got here out of nature, such as you may assume rubber bushes and tires possibly for example. And what he realized is, it begins with a pure supply, and it will get put by way of the availability chain and made right into a automobile that’s in the end destined for a landfill. That’s all that may ever occur. It’s going to solely ever go to a landfill.
Margaret: That’s a perky thought, huh, that cycle?
Amy: It’s a perky thought. He realized what a wasteful course of that was, and that finally, sometime, we’ll run out of pure merchandise to place into landfills. We’ll be out. That’s the one course it may possibly go. So in the future, this man got here to talk at his plant about constructing tiny forests, and this concept comes from Miyawaki, in Japan, and his concept was that you need to use his explicit methodology of intensive cultivation to plant a really dense forest that may develop very, in a short time, and fill even a very small area. This isn’t reforestation, that is what he calls afforestation, which means to place a forest in a spot that it wasn’t earlier than, with the concept being that we will appeal to habitat, we will clear the air, assist purify water. There’s 1,000,000 causes to do that.
However the best way it really works, and what Shubendu Sharma has achieved as an engineer is to systematize it. He’s now made that his life. He not works at Toyota, and what he does are these tiny forests. It includes very deep cultivation of the soil, abnormally deep cultivation, possibly a number of ft deep, so that you’re most likely utilizing a backhoe for this. After which, a variety of natural materials so as to add porosity to the soil, as a result of mainly, you’re wanting extraordinarily accelerated root development. You add a variety of helpful microorganisms to the soil, after which, you plant in all 4 or 5 layers of a forest all of sudden, very intently collectively, so the understory vegetation, the small shrubs, the marginally taller bushes that stay underneath the cover and the bushes that may in the end get so tall that they’ll turn into the cover of the forest, and doubtless crowd out a variety of what was as soon as rising beneath it.
Margaret: Wow.
Amy: The concept with that is that it’s important to weed it and water it for the primary few years, however then, you must have the ability to stroll away, and let it do what it’s going to do. After all, you wish to use native species which can be properly suited to the world, however individuals do that of their backyards [laughter]. I talked to Shubendu Sharma through Zoom, and he walked out into his yard along with his laptop computer, and confirmed me his tiny forest.
It’s impenetrable. It’s not meant to be a leisure area for people. It’s meant to be a forest that’s not for us, however that’s for wildlife. These go into vacant heaps and metropolis parks, and company campuses and other people’s backyards everywhere in the world.
Margaret: It jogged my memory of this concept referred to as pocket forests that Basil Camu, the co-founder of this tree-care firm, really, in Raleigh, N.C., Leaf & Limb. He promotes this pocket forest concept, and he has a nonprofit inside it that grows a variety of saplings of native bushes, and distributes them at no cost to totally different conservation tasks and group tasks across the space, and teaches individuals to plant, such as you’re saying, very intensively, very shut collectively, and make these pocket forests. It’s simply great. It’s transformational each for the individuals and for the area, to become involved with these child bushes.
Amy: Certain.
Margaret: One other one within the ecologists part was from Greenland, and foolish me, I didn’t actually know that bushes don’t actually traditionally develop there. It’s not a spot of forests, it’s not a rustic of forests, and that’s altering together with the local weather, I suppose. The collector you profiled is exploring possibly which bushes could have an opportunity within the Greenland of the longer term. Is {that a} good tough abstract of what he’s doing? Inform us about him.
Amy: Yeah, precisely. Effectively, you and me each, it didn’t happen to me that there weren’t bushes in Greenland. A part of it’s that it’s above the tree line, there’s an Arctic tree line above which bushes don’t develop, but in addition, as a result of even in southern Greenland, the place there may very well be bushes and possibly as soon as have been bushes, there’s now cattle grazing, and sheep. Timber don’t stand an opportunity. That is what you may see in a spot just like the British Isles. You see these type of treeless areas which can be given over to sheep farming and stuff like that.
A part of it’s that, however there actually was by no means simply a lot curiosity in making an attempt to determine if bushes would develop. After all, with a warming local weather, a variety of tree species are shifting in that course, and even birds are serving to to move tree seeds.
Margaret: They’re good tree planters.
Amy: Sure, proper. Nature is dealing with a few of that. There’s this challenge in Greenland to create a botanical backyard, though what’s fascinating is, everybody concerned on this challenge says, “We don’t don’t know why we’re doing this. Will probably be for the following technology to determine the aim of this. What we wish to do is determine what bushes even develop right here, and to get them established.” As a result of to check the introduction of bushes right into a treeless area, you simply should let a number of generations go by. That, once more, is that this thought, we preserve coming again to this concept of time, and this notion that we’re doing this for the following technology is, I believe, such a strong one which bushes remind us of.
They’re in search of bushes all all over the world that develop near that Arctic tree line, like Siberian larch , issues like that, to only see what may even make it right here. After which, the following technology will determine, do we would like this for timber manufacturing? Do we would like it for leisure makes use of, good surroundings, planting bushes in individuals’s backyards? Think about residing in a spot the place you by no means see a tree. It might simply be good to see some bushes. Any variety of the reason why it’d proceed, however will probably be the work of the following technology to determine all that out.
Margaret: He’s making an attempt to assist develop a palette that a minimum of may very well be thought-about for fill-in-the-blank goal? [Above, Kenneth Hoegh.]
Amy: Precisely.
Margaret: He’s doing the take a look at, the R&D testing.
Amy: The R&D, proper.
Margaret: Attention-grabbing. I used to be mentioning earlier, as have been you, the area constraints of getting a tree assortment, and also you talked about the pine cone collector. Not all of the profiled collectors, we must always simply say, not simply the pine cone individual, however others, not all of them have full-sized bushes. There’s a bonsai one who has all these potted bonsai, and there’s an individual who collects, I believe leaves. There’s one with wooden, totally different sorts of wooden. It’s actually an fascinating combine of individuals. There’s one chapter, or part of artists, and one that actually stood out to me was this conceptual artist, I believe it’s, you say Sam Van-
Amy: Sam Van Aken [below], yeah.
Margaret: Along with his Tree of 40 Fruit. He had this quote, it mentioned, “‘I assumed grafting was the proper metaphor for modern existence,” he advised you. He mentioned, “In so some ways, I really feel like our lives are all so piecemeal and hybridized and patched collectively.” So he’s grafting 40 fruits onto one type of tree?
Amy: Proper. If you consider it, yeah, if fruit bushes are your factor, you solely want one tree to have a tree assortment [laughter]. The fascinating factor about that, he’s an artist, and he does these as artwork tasks. There are additionally drawings that accompany it. It’s a complete factor. It’s a complete challenge that he does. The factor about grafting many alternative sorts of fruit onto one tree—now these are all stone fruit, so it could be plums and cherries and stuff like that—is that you just don’t exit simply on in the future and graft 40 totally different fruits onto a tree.
Margaret: No.
Amy: It’s one thing that it’s important to do over time. Initially, the tree must be in precisely the best season, and the best stage of its development for the graft to take maintain. One other factor is that not each graft goes to take properly to its host tree. It has to make use of these interstock. There’s sure fruit bushes which can be good bridges between two others.
Margaret: Sure.
Amy: Generally he’ll should go and graft on that interstock after which wait a 12 months or two, after which graft on the fruit tree he needed that may now be accepted into the host tree, as a result of there’s a bit of bridge there that works for it. It is a course of that truly takes a few years for one tree. And right here once more, these are bushes that you could find, a few of them are on the grounds of museums or universities, one thing like a zoo, or a science museum, or one thing like which may have one in every of his bushes. He has really achieved a complete bunch of them on Roosevelt Island in New York Metropolis.
Margaret: Oh?
Amy: Yeah. The cool factor about it, to start with, they’re lovely, as a result of I need you to attempt to think about—all of us love the best way cherry blossoms look within the spring, however think about a tree that has many barely totally different colours of blossoms, and the bloom cycle is going on over an extended time period, as a result of it’s a bunch of various sorts of-
Margaret: Wow.
Amy: Precisely. Additionally, the fruit you get can come over a protracted season. You would begin choosing fruit in June and nonetheless be getting fruit in September. It’s not like, “My tree is fruiting, and I’m dumping baggage of plums on all people’s entrance door step, as a result of all of them should be harvested in the identical week.” You’re getting a number of handfuls of fruit per week all summer season lengthy, which is what most of us can deal with in our family.
Margaret: It looks as if within the tales, these profiles of the 50 individuals, that every one skilled a type of change, a private transformation from this relationship with this tree accumulating. Perhaps simply say a bit of bit about that, and in addition about what you hope the reader will get out of “assembly them,” and by studying the e-book, as a result of I believe that’s necessary, too, and probably transformational.
Amy: I believe the one means I can actually sum it up is to say {that a} life with bushes is a life well-lived [laughter]. I used to be struck over and over by what number of of those individuals had constructed stronger communities and stronger relationships with their buddies and households by way of the bushes. It occurs in so many alternative methods throughout this e-book that I couldn’t even start to summarize it, however I used to be simply struck over and over at what wealthy lives individuals have, not simply with their bushes, however with the individuals of their lives due to the bushes. That was simply extraordinary for me.
Margaret: Like we talked earlier about, one lady who it helped together with her grief, that was definitely transformational in comparison with grieving on a regular basis about not having the ability to have the kids and so forth. It looks as if there are huge potential adjustments from being so intimately concerned with these residing, long-lived issues, these bushes. Any bushes being collected over there in your backyard? [Laughter.]
Amy: Effectively, I stay in an residence, so there’s no bushes being collected in my home. I’ll inform you, there’s an oak tree down the road that I actually love, and I missed my likelihood this 12 months, however I do intend to go acquire some acorns and simply sprout them on my balcony and see what occurs, as a result of it’s only a tree I’m notably keen on. Any of us can do this.
Margaret: Yeah, they’re so lovely. Even squirrels can do this. They’re so lovely. Acorns are so extremely intricate, and exquisite.
Amy: They’re.
Margaret: I ought to have mentioned initially that you just didn’t solely write the e-book, you additionally illustrated it. I don’t understand how you figured that out, however you illustrated it, so congratulations on that as properly. And once more, congratulations. Once more, I assumed, “Tree collectors, what, huh?” The portraits of the individuals, they’re very compelling, and every one is distinct. It’s not the identical story in every case, and it’s fascinating. Thanks. Thanks so much.
Amy: Effectively, thanks. Thanks for having me.
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